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September 16, 2008

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I am with MLB. My practice is about 60% VSP and doing quite well. I’m dropping Davis and will primarily be VSP and Private Pay. I do in house edging, just hired another Doc and make quite a nice living while taking part of Wednesday and all of Fridays off. I rarely open on weekends except during back to school and in Dec-Jan when there are significant spikes in business.

How some of you are folding up shop isn’t the fault of VSP. IMO, it’s poor business practices. Even during the lean times of today, I’m still growing. Not everyone will, and sadly, that’s normal and honestly, good for me. I don’t need more than the already hefty 45 practices in my immediate area.

So far as John not liking his amount of income, then I would default to my above comments about working smart not hard. Remember John, and others, that you took an Oath to place treatment of those who seek your care above personal gain and strive to see that none shall lack for proper care. I’d like to know how you fulfill the latter. I enjoy donating my time on VSP’s mobile clinics. If you’ve not done so, I would highly encourage it.

“ I long for the days when a large local company created an indemnity plan “………..This is no longer 1948 and managed care is the way of the world. It’s not perfect, but it’also no longer 1984 when it was a privilege to have vision insurance. Show me another company that supports Private ECP’s as much or more than VSP.

Do you all really believe that if VSP were gone that the world would be filled with overly wealthy Private Pay patients? My guess is the independents would rapidly shut down and many would be working at chain locations.

Change, work the plans and fight your way to the top folks. Change or die as they say. “$70,000/yr if you are lucky? No sir, we are worth more than that. “ You are not longer entitled my friend. Work smart or work hard your choice. Again, I’m off to a nice fall day of golf on Wednesday, are you?

I appreciate Al's insight and that of those not necessarily in agreement, too. For alot of us 50-60 year old 'boomer' O.D.'s, we were in infancy practices when VSP started (when the Board was made up of optometrists!) back in the early-mid 80's (right?). The biggest issue/problem now lies in the fact that after this many years of having so many loyal patients under VSP, how can you 'get out' without having thousands of disappointed patients wondering why??

I'm concerned that patients will get one of two impressions (these were provided by some of our patients after finding out that we did not sign up for one of the newer plans out there):
#1) Previous patients (that knew that we provided good quality care/services) impressions were that 'those Docs must be a little greedy as they wouldn't accept the discount in what the plan pays'!....or,
#2) New patients that had gotten referred by others (but didn't find our name in 'THE BOOK') thought 'well, they must not have met the "requirements" or "couldn't qualify" to get on the panel!

Sooooo,...either way, the practice,...the docs...end up being demeaned,...meanwhile, everyone is confused and unhappy!
What a way to carry on trying to serve patients and still run a viable healthy business!!?

I long for the days when a large local company created an indemnity plan where they paid $'X' on the exam, $'X' on lenses & frames or contact lenses. Then, everyone was on a level playing field,...patients just paid for the difference, they're happy; docs got paid by company within 2-3 weeks and they were happy. Every patient paid the SAME FEE that was fair (now the non-covered cash-paying patient really does pay a premium for our services, as we've had to raise fees in order to combat the cut that VSP/3rd party reimburses!). Those fees were fairly well defined by the competition/economy of their own locale.
Sooo, how in the H--- did this 'other model' become the monster that controls so much today?? Was it just too many of us that couldn't see the 'big picture' back when and are now too 'milk-toast' or uncomfortable with walking away from it??


P.S. Can anyone dig up a copy of the Optometric Management article from probably 3-5 years ago entitled "How I gave up VSP and Survived" (or some title wording like that)??

MLB, I don't know of any VSP providers that are netting much at all. Get a clue! You may gross $800 an hour seeing 4 patients but you may only net $100 on materials on those four. A token overage on frames sometimes, maybe a small amount from AR sometimes but that's it. So you are saying the "proper business model" for optometry is 7-4, out the door, I'll collect my $100 per VSP patient total and make $70,000/yr if you are lucky? No sir, we are worth more than that. Maybe if you don't care your image is of the chain store, eyeglass peddler, with a shoddy old blue pharmacist smock. Maybe Grandpa Jones OD is okay with old school refractometry and making that but as the primary eyecare provider in America, we need to be reimbursed what we are worth. $62 per exam is a slap in the face. I would say you are the one that doesn't have a clue of what the "proper business model" is. But I guess some are just that desperate they are happy with what ever they are told they will be reimbursed. Thanks for advancing our profession.

I cold opened a practice 7 years ago with no patient base. I really needed VSP to help drive in new patients. They refused because of my past employment with Wal-Mart. It did not make any sense why nor could they really explain why except that I needed to wait 6 months and then re-apply and pay $500 and they would reconsider my worthiness. Fast forward 7 years and my now very busy non-VSP, non-eyemed, non-spectera practice. I have a full optical lab that allows me to build all the glasses for my patients. My profit margins are much higher than average and I see less patients than some of my competition. VSP asked me if I wanted to be a provider at the last convention. Why would I want to take a 50% pay cut I asked them? Once again VSP did not have a good answer except that I could see more patients and make less. Remember, VSP patients displace CASH and Medicare patients who have double the profit margin. How full is your schedule and how full does it need to be?

Thank you Al for looking at this issue and helping create a visible picture of VSP. I have to decide whether to close a practice in the next few years, not due to not being busy but due to profitability because it is a VSP practice in an area with a high cost of living. The reimbursements aren’t keeping up with the cost of maintaining the practice. This is an established practice of over 50 years and in the last 5 to 6 years has gone all VSP (90to 95%)

This is the 3 headed Gorilla and I do not see that this bodes well for Optometry. They dangle the provider reimbursement carrot and then take it back on the material side. It becomes imperitive to provide an amazing experience each and every time and look at each patient as a total margin at each visit. Multiple pairs of eyewear, multiple types of service(Medical, CL, Comprehensive).

john, i'm not a shill for anyone. Lets see, a paulty $62 per refraction (times four) plus lets say $140 product gross (times four)equals $808 per hour. whats wrong with that?
perhaps you do 2 patients per hour at $400 per patient. I don't have a problem with either business model, why do you?

Just what is the "proper" business model there MLB? To see 4 patients an hour at a paltry $62/refraction? Working you and your staff to death, by trying to make up in volume. Cleinman clients make well above the norm nationally, myself being one of them, because Al gets it. He knows business. Are you an adminstrator for VSP or just a happy refractionist, doing the job any tech can do, just selling eyewear?

i have an efficent and friendly staff, sell decent quality products, charge reasonable rates, see mostly VSP patients in an efficent manner, and make way above the norms. this is without esoteric equipment (i can refer out for these tests) or even a sign on my property. Cleinman does not speak for me but i'm sure he appeals to the vast number of OD's who are clueless at understanding the proper business model of optometry and will remain that way. VSP does not do everything correctly, but at least they provide a critical mass of patients. It is up to me to make sure they return and refer others in the process.

I do not really care if VSP is tax exempt or not or if they purchased Marchon, for those items are beyond my control and ultimate understanding of the intended or unintended consequences. As long as VSP continues to provide my office patients in reasonable numbers, at reasonable reimbursements, i will not bite the hand that feeds me.

As long as there is an oversupply of OD's, the insidious removal of prime patients due to LASIK, new optometry schools pouring out more of us, the success of plans inferior (for the OD's) to VSP, the situation will worsen and our fees will be pressured downward. I hope the VSP can hang in there for all of us, even those of us who look for magic bullets to make up for there own genuine shortcomings.

From my perspective, there are may villians comfronting optometry, i consider VSP my main true supporter and tire of the mindless attacks i come across.

We have let 3 workers go, did not renew the DEA license, put the wife to work, sell crap frames. VSP and others have destroyed this profession.

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